Re-Feeding On LT could someone tell me a bit more about it?

I was just reading some reports on the Lipotrim website which is sooooo bad its not even funny. With the amount of money they are getting out of us you would think they could afford a better website.

Anyway it mentions a bit about re-feeding for a week and I know I can probably ask at my chemist but to be honest I get better information on here.

Sam I know you have done it or are doing it so could you or someone else tell me what is involved ie what you can eat etc please?

Cheers!!

Here is the refeeding leaflet

[FONT=Arial,sans-serif]Lipotrim Refeeding[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,sans-serif]You have lost a considerable amount of body fat during your Lipotrim regime, but you have also depleted your glycogen stores, along with their attending water. If you jump directly from TFR into a high carbohydrate meal, your glycogen and water stores will fill up exessively, causing an immediate weight gain that may be as much as 7-10 pounds. This is not a fat gain - it is a fluid gain - but it is demoralising, nonetheless. That is why the transition plan introduces carbohydrates in a controlled way, so that such a weight regain should not occur.[/FONT]
During your TFR regime, you ate nothing in addition to your Lipotrim servings every day and drank enough water to float a small tanker. During this time, your palate, used to a steady diet of salty, fatty, oily and surgary foods, has had enforced rest. Something very interesting has happened during that rest : your taste buds, reprieved from fat/salt/sugar entrapment, have undergone purification. This palate retraining is one of the most profound results of your TFR regime. Do not throw this perception away by eating your way into the same old problem foods again, just because you used to like them. Changes have to be made to previous eating behaviour and now is the time to take positive action.

[FONT=Arial,sans-serif]The plan applies to both men and women[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,sans-serif]Follow exactly - do not add extras and, more importantly, do not miss out any steps. You may have milk in your tea and coffee, if required, and you can now have diet drinks again. Avoid fruit juices (simple sugars) until the end of the week. No alcohol. Try to drink plenty of water. Most people do not drink adequate water and now you are in a habit, stick with it. At least 2 litres per day.[/FONT]
Day 1
Have 2 Lipotrim servings and one meal, as follows (men continue to have 2 servings as before, while women take 1 less serving of Lipotrim).
At lunchtime or evening mealtime you may have some skinless boneless chicken breast or white fish fillet, or some skinless turkey (about 406ozs). The fish or chicken may be steamed, microwaved, baked or cooked with a little water in a non-stick pan. Season with salt and pepper. Or you may have tuna fish in water or brine (drained). Vegetarians may use tofu or quorn.
You may also have either a moderate serving of salad (small breakfast bowl) from any of the following: lettuce, onions, peppers, beansprouts, celery dressed with a little lemon or lime juice or wine vinegar (try balsamic vinegar), or if you prefer, a moderate serving (2 heaped table spoons - no more) of some cooked green vegetables. You may not have bread, grains (rice) or pasta until day 4, and fruit should wait until day 4 at the earliest (later if you have carbohydrate problems).
Day 2
You will have only 1 Lipotrim serving and 2 meals as described for Day 1.
Day 3
Same as day 2, but you may also have - at one meal only - an 8 ounce potato, plain boiled, mashed or baked, but with no addition of any fat. You may like to top with some skimmed milk, plain yoghurt or very low fat fromage frais and a sprinkle of herbs.

Days 4-7
each day have a Lipotrim serving for your breakfast plus..............

• Up to 3 servings of fruit (if you suffer from an insulin resistance problem, then eat these late in the day and do not snack on them during the day).
• Up to 2 slices of bread or 1 pita or 1 roll or 1 bagel (without fatty spread).
• Any vegetables you want except avocado, 1 or 2 servings with your meals (2 tablespoons per serving).
• Any of the skimmed milk products.
• Fish fillet (any size) or 6 ounces of chicken or turkey, as described before, or one tin of tuna in water or brine, drained. Vegetarians may use tofu, textured vegetable protein (TVP) or quorn.
• Lean meat with all visible fat trimmed off.
• Low fat recipes prepared with low fat sources - e.g. lean mince with tomato Bolognese sauce.
• Medium baking potato or 6 small potatoes or one serving of instant mashed potatoes (the kind with no added fat - read the label). Instead of potato, you may have 4ozs of rice or pasta (cooked weight).

This schedule may be continued for several weeks - especially if you have lost a lot of weight - 5/6 stones or more - as you will need time to adjust to a different eating behaviour and quantities. Check your weight every week at Prestwich Pharmacy; if it is going up, then action must be taken to address the types and quantities of foods eaten. The maintenance food products are advised during this time to add extra control whilst adjusting to your new eating behaviour.
The main point to understand in following the plan is not to have added fat in your food or in it's preparation.
There is more than adequate fat for daily requirements naturally occuring in a diet chosen from a wide range of foods. There is no benefit to adding fat in preparation - only to add weight back on.

Charlotte you are a wee gem!!! Were did you get this information!!

Im up for that Mapcr77!!

Hehe I didn't type it I cut and pasted it from one of the participating pharmacy's websites.

Thanks Charlotte - thats really kind of you and it makes a really good sensible read....

I agree girls LT could do with investing in their website image its a bit 1970s.....

Its just not very professional looking. I wouldnt think they get many people to do LT by the website alone!

Nope..the video/CD isnt very slick either....its got a good reputation with being used in clinics / docs etc...which gives me confidence...but it could do with an image change!!

We should all end them an email!! Lol

the video is apalling!!! it's embarrasing to watch! and frankly, they way I was tended at the chemist was not great either... hmmm... that gave me an idea Rachel... why dont you do a trip to england, do a tour to every single chemist in your way to sign up to do the lt (if they're as rubbish as the one I went to, you'd get away with it) and buy a week or 2 of sachets in each one and off you go!

sorry am a bit lost.....must be another conversation....it 12.45 and need to get to bed!

Rachel is charged £44 a week in NI, that's it

LOL Mapcr77 if I could be bothered that would be a really good idea. Anyone up for a bus trip????

I've just started refeeding this week, and the only info/instructions you get are those in the above post. It's very specific for 3 days, then from day 4 onwards gets infuriatingly vague, just saying "low fat meals from low fat sources" but not offering any suggestions or any complete no-nos. Eggs aren't mentioned anywhere and neither is cheese. Portion sizes are vague too. Menu plans would be really useful. Let's face it, we got in the mess we were in because we ate all the wronfg stuff - some suggestions would be great because refeeding is very daunting, even scary, when you've had the security of such a limited choice for so long.

I really feel you're cast out alone once you're refeeding and have to do a lot of work finding out stuff for yourself, which I feel is a shame after we've worked so hard and had such good support while we've been losing weight. It's almost as if they WANT us to fail at refeed.

There is a website/forum that I use (not sure if I can mention it on here) which is very supportive of Lipotrim and has many experienced users at various stages. If someone tells me I can post it, I will. I've found the help and advice around refeeding invaluable.

The plan for Refeeding applies to both men and women...

Follow exactly - do not add extras and, more importantly, do not miss out any steps. You may have milk in your tea and coffee, if required, and you can now have diet drinks again.

Avoid fruit juices (simple sugars) until the end of the week. No alcohol. Try to drink plenty of water. Most people do not drink adequate water and now you are in the habit, stick with it. At least 2 litres per day.

DAY1

Have 2 Lipotrim servings and one meal, as follows (men continue to have 2 servings, as before, while women take 1 less serving of Lipotrim)

At lunchtime or evening meal time you may have some skinless, boneless chicken breast or white fish fillet, or some skinless turkey (about 4-6ozs.) The fish or chicken may be steamed, microwaved, baked or cooked with a little water in a non-stick pan. Season with salt and pepper. Or you may have tuna fish in water or brine (drained). Vegetarians may use tofu or quorn.

You may also have either a moderate serving of salad (small breakfast bowl) from any of the following: lettuce, cucumber, cress and watercress, tomatoes, mushrooms, onions, peppers, bean sprouts, celery dressed with a little lemon or lime juice or wine vinegar (try balsamic vinegar, it is quite special), or it you prefer, a moderate serving (2 heaped table spoons - no more) of some cooked green vegetables. You may not have bread, grains (rice) or pasta until Day 4. Fruit should wait until Day 4 at the earliest (later if you have carbohydrate problems). You can have milk in tea/coffee


Day 2 You will have only 1 lipotrim serving and 2 meals, as descrbed on Day 1.

Day 3 Same as Day 2, but you may also have - at one meal only - 8 ounce potato, plain boiled, mashed or baked, but with no addition of any fat. You may like to top with some skimmed milk, plain yoghurt or very low fat fromage frais and a sprinkle of herbs.


Sample Menu for Days 4 to 7 ...

Sample menu for days 4 to 7.............

Breakfast Lipotrim serving.

Lunch Fish fillet (any type - cod, salmon etc), serving of potatoes ( 1 medium jacket or 6 new potatoes or a serving-spoon mash - no added fat) Yogurt ( low fat).

Diner 4-6 ozs chicken (no skin), jacket potato, salad. Fruit (if appropriate) or low fat dessert.

Evening Sandwich (no spread of any sort), consisting of: pickles, fat-free mayonnaise, salad/carrot, slice cold meat (low fat).

Snack 1 or 2 pieces of fruit (evening, if appropriate)


Breakfast Lipotrim serving

Lunch Sandwich (no spread) - any low fat filling, eg tuna. Bowl of salad. 2 pieces of fruit (if appropriate) or yogurt.

Dinner Spaghetti Bolognas, consisting of: drained lean mince, low fat sauce, 4 ozs. Cooked spaghetti, serving spoon of vegetables. Dessert.

Snack or Evening.

Tub of very low fat fromage fraise, flavoured to suit with either slices of fruit or low fat jelly crystals for a sweet option or herbs and spices with added crunchy vegetable, for a savoury snack.

Or maintenance range - orange-cream drink or chocolate whip dessert (see leaflet).

The main point to understand in following the plan is not to have an any added fat in your food or in its preparation.

There is more than adequate fat for daily requirements naturally occurring in a diet chosen from a wide range of foods. There is no benefit to adding fat in preparation - only weight back on.

MAINTENANCE AFTER REFEEDING.

The failure of all diets has, in the past been maintenance. Regardless of the methods of weight loss, more than 95 people out of every 100 who managed to lose some weight have put it all back by the end of one year.

By five years, it was hard to find anyone who had kept their weight off.

The failure of weight maintenance is largely due to the over reliance on 3 rather ineffectual means of weight control.

These are:

(1.) exercise, (2) portion control and (3) Calorie counting.

By now you should all understand the limitations of each of these strategies.

Exercise cannot cope with a large enough excess of Calories.
Portion control and overall food restriction trigger primitive hunger instincts and lead to out of control eating.
Therefore, weight maintenance fails.

One of the reasons that people find weight maintenance so difficult is that, in serious overweight, more than one problem may exist at the same time.

Most people now appreciate the fact that, in order to resist weight regain, it is important to avoid as much unnecessary fat in the diet as possible.

This simple message remains true, despite the sometimes confusing messages about fat that are presented in the media.

Remember the simple statement - Fat Makes You Fat....

Some of the confusion is caused by the commercial needs of the edible fats industry. This is a very large wealthy industry which loses income when people avoid eating its products.

Other causes of confusion relate to the differences between saturated and unsaturated fats.

There may well be health implications associated with the balance between saturated and unsaturated fats in our food intake. BUT, the effect on our Weight is exactly the same whether we eat animal fat, fish fat, olive fat. Vegetable fat or any other fat - saturated, mono-unsaturated or poly unsaturated. FAT makes you FAT.





*Information for you on 'Meal Replacement Schedule'...

After refeeding, begin by replacing any 7 meals per week with standard Lipotrim formula or flapjack.

1.) This permits you to remain in control of your total weekly caloric intake.

2.) After 14 days, you need to return to the pharmacy to be weighed:

* if your weight has remained stable, continue in this manner;

* if your weight continues to drop, reduce the meal replacements to 6 for the next 2 weeks - repeat the sequence, substituting one traditional meal for a meal replacement until your weight remains stable;

* if your weight increases, then you must replace further meals. Replace 9 meals with formula for 2 weeks. If still not stable, substitute for 11 meals.

Find your appropriate level of meal replacements for weight stability. Then make sure that you attend the pharmacy once a month for a check. Always adjust your meal replacement schedule to the previous month's weight stability.


Source Lipotrim Pharmacy Programme
Refeeding after Lipotrim TFR Without Excessive Weight Regain

Thank you Mini that is a great help!!

I get your point Mini, but for someone who's been overwieght for a long time, a page or 2 of advice which we've seen before and never taken up, and one day's sample menu, just isn't enough. We have to learn to eat like this for ever, from now one, so we need more ideas than that. And let's face it, if we have that type of meal day in day out, we're never going to stick to it.

What I'll be doing is 2 weeks of refeed, then going away on holiday and sticking to fish and poultry and vodka and diet coke as far as I can, then joining weight watchers as soon as I get home to lose those last few pounds and maintain.

There are lots of good cookery books out there with low fat, low carb menus.

I Know myself it is the high carbs I am addcited too

The refeeding part of the programme does make a lot of sense.


After refeeding there are two alternatives: (page 7 of the Lipotrim Pharmacy Programme)

Meal Replacement Schedule

After refeeding, begin by replacing any 7 meals per week with standard Lipotrim formula or flapjack.

i This permits you to remain in control of your total weekly caloric intake.

ii After 14 days, you need to return to the pharmacy to be weighed:

* if your weight has remained stable, continue in this manner.

* if your weight continues to drop, reduce the meal replacements to 6 for he next 2 weeks - repeat the sequence, substituting one traditional meal for a meal replacement until your weight remains stable;

* if your weight increases, then you must replace further meals. Replace 9 meals with formula for 2 weeks. If still not stable, substitute to 11 meals.

Find your appropriate level of meal replacements for weight stability. Then make sure that you attend your pharmacy once a month for a check. Always adjust your meal replacement schedule to the previous month's weight stability.

2 New Maintenance Foods

A rang of nutritious, low Calorie, high soluble fibre foods, available to help control your weight after weight loss.

I have tried some of these and they are nice...the caramel bar is a huge improvement on the flapjack.

Eclipse296 is the only person I can think of who has successfully kept the majority of her weight off over the last two years having followed Lipotrim and done the refeed and still uses Lipotrim on and off and I am sure she would have plenty of good advice if you need any help.

She is following WW just now.

http://www.minimins.com/weight-watchers/19921-i-have-decided-i-think-lol.html

You will also get very good advice for menu's from any of the members who have being doing maintenance for a long time successfully...Karion dieting, Icemoose, demon, CD councellor to name but a few...along with all those who are old and new to maintenance and working their way...Amanda Jayne, Cerulean on the LL forum.

All our members help each other out all you have to do is ask.

The mission is the same... to keep off the weight they have lost.

Trying to learn this one myself having lost five stone on Lipotrim and another one and half on CD and gaining three and half stone back on:cry::break_diet:



Love Mini xxx

I'm trawling through the books right now for recipes - luckily I love cooking and even luckier am good at it(!) and becuase I've done all these diets all my life and because I work in healthcare, I know a fair bit about food and nutrition. I do feel for people who don't, though, and are left what I see as stranded without very much help when they get to this point. The reason a lot of people got where they were - overweight - was because they didn't know enough about healthy eating and cooking, so some more pointers would, I think, be great from LT. I do feel LT could help by doing some real meal planners, recipes and the like, to get people on the maintaining road. Eating maintenance stuff isn't ideal long term.

I think the fact that Cheryl is the only person you know who's managed it long term says a bit. I know she's been SSing on and off for a long time, and now joined WW.

It really, for me, is only the refeed bit that I feel is a bit lacking, because I know I'm going to WW after this.

Nixx x